Tuesday, September 30, 2025
Sofas and Skunks
As of this morning, the old couch is still out on the street. I'm not sure what happened -- the council was supposed to collect it yesterday and I scheduled and paid for that pickup. I expected it to be gone by the time I got home from work. When it wasn't I called and was told there were "delays" in the scheduled pickups, but I was indeed on the list.
Of course this morning I'll call them again, but meanwhile we look like the Beverly Hillbillies of West Hampstead.
My tendency to catastrophize is running rampant: Were the items too large, and thus uncollectable? Will it cost more than I've already paid? Will we have to reschedule, leaving the items out there for another week, or will the trash guys simply put us on today's list? So many questions.
Writing yesterday's post, in which I used "sofa" in the headline but "couch" in most of the post itself, made me wonder about the difference between the two. I think most modern English speakers, at least Americans, think of the words as more or less interchangeable. I generally prefer "couch" myself -- no idea why.
According to Google' AI bots, "a sofa is typically a more formal, structured piece of furniture for upright seating, while a couch is more informal and designed for comfort and lounging, stemming from its French root, coucher, meaning to lie down." Apparently couches sometimes don't have arms, while sofas do. And then there are settees, basically also a sofa.
My grandmother used the word "divan" to refer to her couch. She had an elegant curvy specimen from the 1920s with sort of gray-pink-brown nubbly upholstery that my mom, as a little girl, knew as the "cocoa divan." According to Wikipedia it's a word of Middle Eastern origin -- just like sofa. "The divan in the sense of a sofa or couch entered the English language in 1702 and has been commonly known in Europe since about the middle of the 18th century. It was fashionable, roughly from 1820 to 1850, wherever the romantic movement in literature penetrated. All the boudoirs of that generation were garnished with divans."
There were also "fainting couches," for Victorian women whose corsets were too tight. And there are still other words for specific types of couches: sectionals and loveseats and the dramatic chaise longue.
I suppose ours, both old and new, are properly known as sofas, since they have arms and structure. But I'm still sticking with couch as my term of choice.
How many of you are familiar with these books? If you're not, let me just tell you that they are all the rage among the elementary school set. I have learned this working in the Lower School library, where the kids clamor for this series. It features various animals facing off with one another, describing their behaviors and diets and defensive skills. Sometimes dinosaurs are involved, or sea creatures like lobsters and crabs, and sometimes there's a "jungle rumble" or "battle royale" featuring multiple animals all at once. It's kind of the zoological equivalent of a cage fight. (In the book above -- SPOILER ALERT -- the skunk wins, defeating the jaguar with its overpowering scent.)
Speaking of animals, yesterday I finally unlocked the library cabinets holding our ceramic animal heads and cleaned the glass shelves. Remember how dusty they were?
(Top photo: A autumnal seed pods of the stinking iris are giving bright orange color to our flower beds.)
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I haven't heard of those books, but I can understand why kids would enjoy them. Scenarios about various people fighting one another and which one would win seem to be popular. Learning about animals is much better. Mother called a couch a "davenport." As we kids grew older we started saying couch because that's what all the other kids said.
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Janie
Oh yeah! I haven't heard "davenport" in ages but that's another good synonym! Apparently that stems from the name of a specific manufacturer back in the day.(I just Googled it.)
DeleteI already guessed the skunk would win because of the scent. I prefer couch too and I think most people here do. Sofa sounds very formal and not at all like something you could throw yourself down on with a bucket of chips and a remote for the tv.
ReplyDeleteA sofa was always a settee here - until TV advertising called it a sofa - don't think couch is used much - I may be wrong
ReplyDeleteYour old sofa/couch is out - stop worrying!
You're a worrier. Couch is paid let them worry about it. I think sofa is European. Couch without arms is a day bed then there are chesterfield at least that's how I use it. There are more names for the more formal ones can't recall them.
ReplyDeleteI can see why kids would like them. I canceled the discovery channel when they started doing this years ago. Ancient shark vs modern...
The seed pod is stunning! Don’t ask me why but I would have called yours a couch while we have two sofas. When I was young we had a couch in the living room. It was replaced by a sofa when I was 16. In the den, we always had sofas. Again, don’t ask me why.
ReplyDeleteIf you are dusting the ceramic heads, does that mean they are staying now? As for terms for that bulky item of furniture you mentioned, in my early life the only word we used in The People's Republic of Yorkshire was "setee". The term "sofa" seemed to drift into our vocabulary with the infiltration of American TV.
ReplyDeleteOur grandson, who is 8 loves those books. I would be worried until the sofa was removed, but that's just me.
ReplyDeleteAlso, 'davenport' means a pretty little antique desk that I always wanted, but the word is also used for sofa/settee/couch. The sofa will be picked up eventually so don't worry. Sofa has a softer sound than settee could be why we prefer to use it.
ReplyDeleteIn Australia the furniture item is more known as a couch. Sofa is more English, and settee, terribly English. Whatever its name, it is not a good look to have one sitting on the street in front of your home.
ReplyDeleteI remember divans as being horribly uncomfortable.
When very young, I asked my father if a cat was confronted by a crocodile, would it swim away across a river to save itself. I can't remember his answer. Clearly children are quite curious about such things.
In my childhood home we reclined on the Couch for reading and dozing, while we sat on the Sofa when we had visitors. On both occasions, this was the same piece of furniture just used differently.
ReplyDeleteThere is also 'daybed' which can be taken to mean anything you like. I hope your couch/sofa/settee has been collected by now.
ReplyDeleteExcept doesn’t ‘sofa’ sound munch cozier than couch?
ReplyDeleteAs for that amazing picture, what an awful name for such a spectacular seed pod.
I always think of such word comparisons as being regional. Here we use couch quite a bit these days though in my youth, they were called davenports. But in most of my travels to other parts of the U.S., I have heard sofa and sectional used quite a bit. Even rarer I have heard settie, divan, and lounger.
ReplyDeleteI say couch, and always have, but my maternal grandmother had a divan in a room no one was allowed to enter.
ReplyDeleteI'd call it a couch too, unless I was "trying to impress!" My grandma would call it a davenport, as others have mentioned. Hey, at least it's a decent piece of furniture on the curb. Witness the bench that is falling apart and has been there forever! I need to check out those books for Carson and Cam.
ReplyDeleteCouch. Sofa if you must. I don't know if I've seen any of those books but August and Levon, especially, are often asking questions like, "In a fight, would a T. Rex or a Megalodon win?" Well, maybe not that specific pair of animals but in that same genre. Who wouldn't want to know?
ReplyDeleteBeautiful photo, by the way.
I agree with Marty - for some reason sofa sounds cozier than couch to me too. I can't explain it, but it's true. Ha!
ReplyDeleteI grew up in North Yorkshire where it was a settee. My mom disapproved of our calling it a sofa! It wouldn't surprise me if Bell starts to nap on your street sofa if it's not picked up soon. Maybe set up a camera to observe the night visitors...
ReplyDeleteAnd do you keep the sofa/couch/ settee/ divan in the living room/parlor/front room? So many words for the same things! But you did get a good post out of it!
ReplyDeleteMy grandsons have read those books but lately it's a lot of Captain Underpants that are so silly! Love that seed pod photo.
I think I probably use couch. We have a double recliner loveseat though it's wide enough to seat three so I suppose it doubles as a couch. Growing up we had a family room with an L shaped a couch (no arms) and a formal sitting room with a sofa, a room that was hardly ever used. There was a very nice chaise longue when I worked at the antique store that I fancied but had no where to put it. It was there a long time but did eventually sell.
ReplyDeleteI thought your boss wanted to get rid of the animal heads.
Its always been couch to me but all of the various names are familiar, as well!
ReplyDeleteI did not know there was a difference between couch and sofa. Couch is the common term in my household.
ReplyDeleteHopefully the couch pick-up happens today and not a week from today. Once damp from mist/dew/rain it becomes harder to take away.
Stinking iris, that's a new one for me. It's a very dramatic looking seed pod. Growing up we always called it a couch no matter what it looked like.
ReplyDeleteI love that photo of the stinking iris seedpod. And those books, they come home on a regular basis. I hate them but if they make kids read, I suppose that's a good thing:)
ReplyDeleteI'm sure the couch will be picked up soon. If not, just get a cone like they have for that broken down bench:)
Enjoyed your video yesterday but didn't get a chance to comment there, so will do it today. Unfortunate that your pickup didn't go as scheduled; I'd be worrying about it too, until it was gone. We always used the word couch, but I always thought of it as a somewhat plebian name - other people used chesterfield. I'm glad to see it's more common than I thought :)
ReplyDeleteOr less common, in a different sense of the word!
DeleteWell I grew up in Manchester and there your couch or sofa would be a settee. It's like the whole bread roll/bap/bun/barmcake naming isn't it. :-)
ReplyDeleteDavenport or daveno was often what my parents called their couch. Never heard them use the word sofa. Hmm. Hope your pick up happens soon. In Book Club we once read a quirky book called "Couch" that was about a group of friends carting a magic couch all around Portland. It was a hoot!
ReplyDeleteOoh, this all reminds me of my childhood when my parents were given a second hand studio couch, a hideous dark orange and black upholstered, low backed piece of furniture that could be used as a bed for visitors. It was truly horrible!
ReplyDeleteAnd in french a sofa is "canapé"..... which in English means a small morsel of food served before a meal....
ReplyDeleteAren't languages fun!!
That photo is STUNNING the red and the green
ReplyDeleteI adore it
May I use it ?
I agree with John.... the word "stunning" is exactly what came to mind when I saw that first photo.
ReplyDeleteWe use couch or sofa interchangeably. Yes indeed. I have a grandson and so I have heard of this series.
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