Wednesday, March 27, 2024

Greeks and Christians


Yesterday one of the fifth grade teachers, clad in a bedsheet toga, stopped in to the library. She was recruiting people to come and listen to her students give individual presentations about Ancient Greece. So I went over to the classroom pod, where the kids were each standing separately at their own desk or table. You'd approach a table, push a paper "button" and the kid would give their spiel about doric columns or Greek temples or, in one case, the Gordian Knot.

In most cases it was just a matter of listening and then asking the kid a question or two. But one girl focused on Ancient Greek clothing, and gave a long, mumbling description of tunics of varying lengths and styles for men and women. On top of the mumbling, she had an accent and there was a lot of noise in the room, and I was only getting about every tenth word. Then, at the end, she said, "And now for a quiz!" She turned her presentation sheet over and asked me a series of questions, none of which I could answer.

"Did you tell her why?" Dave said later, when I related this story. I admitted that no, I hadn't told her why. I'd just made a joke about it and sort of shrugged it off. But I guess there was a teachable moment there about speaking clearly (and maybe being considerate of the waning hearing of those of us on the upper end of the age spectrum).

This is why Dave is a teacher and I am not.


Several plastic tool boxes appeared mysteriously next to our garbage bins on Monday. I thought one of the workmen on one of the never-ending house renovation projects along our street might have dumped them. But then last night there was a power saw sitting out there too. I think Mr. Russia must be winnowing his no doubt vast (and noisy) collection of tools. Could this mean they're finished with their renovations? I doubt it.

Anyway, someone did take a few of the boxes, so that's good. I'm not sure what's happening with the saw or if it's still there.


Last night Dave and I watched "God + Country," the new documentary about the rise of Christian Nationalism in the United States. It features commentary by a variety of Christian theologians warning of the dangers and distortions of the extreme brand of Christianity we see among the MAGA crowd, particularly. It made some interesting points. One expert pointed out that Trump, with his love of ostentatious gilding and his spray-tanned and blow-dried appearance, is a lot like a televangelist -- in other words, the Bible-thumpers have seen his type before and they're familiar and comfortable with it. They're even familiar with his character flaws. I never really thought of that. They know that behavior model.

Another point -- observable but not explicitly stated -- is that many of the Christian Nationalist ministers and followers shown in the film had distinct southern accents, but many of the moderates did not. This made me think about the regional elements of this movement, and its echoes back to the North-South divisions that led to the Civil War. Not all southerners are MAGA, of course, but many MAGA folks are southern.

The film did describe how recent generations of evangelicals latched onto abortion as their principle cause. But it pointed out that the Roe vs. Wade court decision that legalized abortion came right in the middle of a series of decisions that strengthened civil rights laws -- and that those were, in fact, a huge part of what motivated many conservative evangelicals to become more political. In other words, they talked about abortion, but they also wanted to preserve segregation.

A very interesting film, and worth watching!

(Top photo: Our flowering quince in bloom. Bottom photo: Olga snoozing on Monday night.)

30 comments:

River said...

If God+Country comes to our TV screens I won't be watching it. I am already too sickened by what is happening over there.
Olga lookes peaceful.

gz said...

It makes you wish that there had been a little gentle help to those with whom public speaking did not sit easy.

Odd just to see things dumped. It is so easy to pass things on in a constructive manner.

It is sickening, the attitude towards some people by others. It may be becoming more obvious there...but it is here too, if not always blatant.

Moving with Mitchell said...

Both photos in bloom , the quince and Olga, are beautiful. I’ve been tempted to watch the documentary but it seemed like another dose of reality I didn’t want at the moment. As for the girl doing the presentation, I would have been Dave and SG would have been you.

Andrew said...

Like this bloke, Joel Osteen featured here, https://ishouldbelaughing.blogspot.com/2024/03/meme-dump_01583738789.html

I may detest MAGA but I do like young southern men with a southern drawl. I expect such southern men chewing on a blade of dried grass might be a fantasy experience for men who like men and live in NYC and San Francisco.

Yorkshire Pudding said...

I am sure I would find "God & Country" very interesting but we don't pay for any streaming services. I suspect that you watched it via AppleTV? It is interesting to see movements in historical context. They don't come out of the blue.

Bob said...

I never thought about Thing 45 looking like one of those TV scamvangelists, but now that you mention it ....
I also say that not all thing 45 supporters are racists but all racists are Thing 45 supporters.

Colette said...

He DOES look and act like a televangelist preacher. I would laugh if it wasn't so terrifying.

Ellen D. said...

I read today that now he's selling bibles and he gets a commission on that. He is the least religious person but he is a true scam artist.
I love those flowering quince!

Ms. Moon said...

I am not so sure about the evangelist comparison. Perhaps but it seems like a stretch. I think it's all about racism. Also, people admire his greased-pig ability to escape the consequences of his actions. They see him as more clever than the experts, the scientists, the legal system which are all complex and hard to understand. He appears able to just glide right through it all.
I don't know. It's sickening.
Your flowering quince is gorgeous and I am so glad that it was you, not me, who was having to answer a quiz on an unintelligible speech.

Boud said...

I may need that picture of sleeping Olga! So calming.
About hearing the student: I'd have broken in quickly to ask her to repeat herself. I don't think I could have held out not hearing anything! Some people get huffy but I can't help that.

Boud said...

And I forgot to say maybe Mr Russia is investing in bigger and better tools.. and shedding the earlier ones.

ellen abbott said...

I think I would have asked the student to speak up, taking the blame. it's what I do with my grandchildren. I tell them to speak a little louder and look right at me when they talk to me. but I don't test well so I probably would have flunked the quiz.

I saw a chart today about the percentage of adults who seldom or never go to church. it's no surprise that the southern states had the lowest percentage of non church goers.

Marcia LaRue said...

I would have asked the girl to speak up!
Ah, yes ... First thing this morning when I turned on MSNBC, there's Thing 45 hawking Lee Greenwood's bible! 🤮🤦
I love that picture of Olga!

The Bug said...

I think I wouldn't have said anything to the student, but then I would have been very annoyed to not be able to pass the quiz. I really can't hear very well these days though so I might have said something after all. Mike and I are always yelling "what" at each other.

I read Jesus & John Wayne which kind of covered the same territory. It's just maddening.

Ed said...

Very interesting film. I hadn't thought of Trump appealing to them due to a familiarity in appearance and behavior. Perhaps that is why he never has appealed to me.

Susan said...

Public speaking does not come naturally to everyone. I hope the teacher provided some feedback on the importance of articulation. Also does the school have a course on public speaking and how to make a good presentation? DT followers seem to cross all boundaries. They are a group of disenfranchised people and cult-like.

Sharon said...

That film sounds interesting. I hadn't thought about DJT's persona being familiar to them. I'll look for that film.
I love the blooms and Olga looks so sweet.

Wilma said...

Were only school staff invited the presentations? I think that is a great idea and a good way to ease into public speaking by going one-on-one.

The quince and Olga are lovely.

gz said...

Just an additional thought on public speaking and that pupil....ADHD , ASD ?

Margaret said...

That sounds like a fascinating project. I would have cupped my ear with a puzzled look--isn't that the universal symbol for "I can't hear you?" The documentary does sound interesting but also depressing. I'm depressed enough.

Kelly said...

I would have been tempted to ask her to speak up and enunciate. My grandmother (who lived with us) was a stickler about that!

My former priest (Episcopal) posted this on Instagram not long ago:

Christian Nationalism is just plain old nationalism in which Jesus is trotted out as a mascot to endorse something that bears absolutely no resemblance to the Sermon on the Mount
or apostolic Christianity.

Allison said...

After spending time in rural Alabama as a kid, and listening to my relatives talking about POC, I determined that their form of Christianity was horrible. That is a part of the country that actually scares me.

Jim Davis said...

Great observation comparing Trump to a televangelist preacher, the similarities are definitely there, spray tan, troweled on bronzer, stream of consciousness speaking. There's a line in the Jimmy Buffet song Fruitcakes "television preachers with bad hair & dimples" Pretty much fits.

Linda Sue said...

great synopsis- Dennis's take away is that trump is a puppet for a theocracy take over, which militant far right so called
christians have been yearning for. The numbers are growing. Racist, southern - for the most part- although right here in a little town north of B'ham, is the biker's church- white supremist hard core neo nazi national organization. Adhering to "burn it to the ground" Bannon theme. Gathering ammo for the end times but first --the election.

Red said...

Funny how various extremist groups can twist things in favor of their ideas.

Jeanie said...

I heard someone talking about that film on NPR. I need to check what streaming service it is on. Have you heard that Trump just started hawking his newly published Bible (along with country star Lee Greenwood)with his new phrase "Make America Pray Again." It's $60. Liz Cheney said he should read the chapter on adultery. The ad is beyond tacky. Much worse than the gold sneakers. I'm not always sure about what I believe but from all I've heard about the anti-Christ, I'd say Trump fits the role pretty well.

That sectioned box would be a good thing for seed saving!

Snowbrush said...

"Trump, with his love of ostentatious gilding and his spray-tanned and blow-dried appearance, is a lot like a televangelist"

Have you heard that along, with green tennis shoes, he is now selling Bibles for a mere pittance of $59.95?

"This made me think about the regional elements of this movement, and its echoes back to the North-South divisions that led to the Civil War. Not all southerners are MAGA, of course, but many MAGA folks are southern."

I have reflected upon the similarities between the way of thinking that leads to
Trumpism and the way of thinking that led the South to secede, but it would be a bit much to go into in the comment section of your blog.

Speaking of America's Civil War, I'm from Mississippi and I had a number of ancestors who were slave owning Confederates. Furthermore, I recently created what--if you should read it--will doubtlessly agree is a brilliantly researched and captivatingly written blogpost in which I conclusively proved what scholars have long suspected, which is that the liberal Lincoln stole the 1860 election from the conservative Breckenridge by way of the secretive mechanisms of the Deep State.

On a more pleasant note, I see that you're also from America, but you don't say what part of America. You do mention having an interest in NYC, so might that be where you're from? My wife and I moved from Mississippi to our current home in Eugene, Oregon, in 1986, my first choice (but her very distant second) being NYC.

"'Did you tell her why?' Dave said later."

Dave must consider you a good a student to have assumed that you would have done well on her test had you understood what the heck she said during her tedious presentation. For what it's worth, I concur.

Catalyst said...

Love the photo of Olga. BTW, have you put in your order for the Trump Bible?

Steve Reed said...

River: It's alarming, but I feel like I need to know about it.

GZ: Yes, many societies face similar challenges, I think.

Mitchell: It's definitely tempting to lose myself in the garden and the dog, given the crazy politics in the world now!

Andrew: Ugh. Joel Osteen is a piece of work. I certainly don't have any fantasies about him!

YP: Yes, we did watch it on Apple+.

Bob: When he said it, I was like, "OF COURSE!" The similarity is unmistakeable.

Colette: As I am fond of saying, "You gotta laugh to keep from cryin'."

Ellen D: Yeah, this whole Bible thing is unbelievable. Apparently they've also included the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, making those Bibles the very ESSENCE of Christian Nationalism.

Ms Moon: There's no question that racism is a HUGE part of it. When the movie discussed abortion, as an issue, concealing racism underneath, I think that was the point it was trying to make.

Boud: Re. the girl, I probably should have. GOD FORBID we're going to hear more powerful tools! Argh!

Ellen: It seems to me that Christian Nationalism really IS largely a southern (and western) phenomenon.

Marcia: Isn't this Bible thing crazy? It's amazing how he's able to continually scam and grift from his supporters.

Bug: I want to read that book! I should pick up a copy. I think my hearing is slipping a bit too, particularly in crowded rooms like that.

Ed: Exactly! It explains a lot, on both sides!

Susan: I assume the kids got some instruction about how to make their presentations, but I'm not aware of any classes focused solely on public speaking.

Sharon: She was sound asleep and snoring away!

Wilma: I think so! I didn't see other kids listening to them. (I guess they were all in their own classes.)

GZ: It's possible. We certainly have kids with those sorts of issues. Or did you mean me? :)

Margaret: It was sobering but not depressing. It was more like, "We need to fix this."

Kelly: EXACTLY! And that's the point many of the theologians in the movie made -- that Christian Nationalism bears no resemblance to Jesus's teachings.

Allison: It is scary -- and if it's scary to us, imagine what it's like to a black person!

Jim: Ha! Yes, that's the perfect description!

Linda Sue: Yes, he is absolutely a tool being employed by the religious right. And so far he's been very effective, frighteningly enough.

Red: It's incumbent on the rest of us to NOT ALLOW IT!

Jeanie: Liz Cheney's quote made me laugh. It really is remarkable how Trump can still manage to siphon money from his supporters. (Many of whom probably can't really afford it.)

Snowbrush: Welcome! I am a southerner, from suburban Tampa, Fla. My mom's mom was from North Carolina and her people ancestrally owned slaves, and my dad's parents were from Missouri (and before that, Alabama/Tennessee). I think they were too poor to have slaves, though. The DEEP STATE goes all the way back to Lincoln?! LOL!

Catalyst: I wonder if it contains a "Book of Trump"?

Snowbrush said...

I handle comments to my blog as you do to yours, which is another similarity we share--along with what I wrote about you on Andrews' blog.

"I think they were too poor to have slaves, though."

Steve, I believed the same of my family one two counts. One was my ancestors' assumed poverty (that I based upon the poverty of my living relatives), and the other was that the ones whom I knew about on my father's side came from Appalachia. Years of genealogical research showed that my I was wrong, wrong, wrong, both sides of my family having been overrun by well-to-do slave-owning Confederates. I was also amazed to discover that I have both black and Jewish ancestors among the many Scots, English, Irish, Welsh, and Norwegians.

I hope that the people of London don't hold your American origins against you. To my surprise many people in the Willamette very much hold my Southernism against me, although having left the South 38-years ago (I'm 75), my accent is nothing like as strong as it was in the days that people could hardly understand me.
By the way, my best friend in all the world is an English lady who lives in Manchester, and my second best lived in Grimsby before old age and poor health caught up with him. Sadly, his daughter has refused to tell his blog family anything about his condition.

"the DEEP STATE goes all the way back to Lincoln?! LOL!"

Although the post I referenced is very much about the Civil War and my ancestors' role in it (one of them being an Alabamian who had the courage to openly support the Union--I learned this from court records), Lincoln's name does not appear. I figured that you would either be amused or would conclude that I was the stupidest person you had run into for awhile; I'm pleased that took the first route.